L'ortoressia è un vero disturbo alimentare?

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  2. I don't know how to respond to this. The fact that it isn't clinically recognized or diagnosable should be the end of the argument. Was it really necessary to make such a scathing full-length video about it? As an individual who suffers from restrictive anorexia, anecdotally I can say that "orthorexia" is a colloquialism used in the treatment of eating disorders to describe the unhealthy and abnormal fear of unsafe foods. Not necessarily healthy foods (though usually they are, by conventional standards), just the foods deemed "pure" or "safe" by the disordered individual. Orthorexia isn't a mental illness, but it is absolutely a valid term to describe facets and characteristics of mental illness if used in the right context.

  4. Oh, there are real pseudo "health food" people that talk absolute nonsense, I.e. Not fact based, just fear based' and they lecture everyone on their pseudo science. I am guessing that's what this is referring to.

  9. As someone who's suffered from an eating disorder for many years (and sadly, still does), I can understand why the term "orthorexia" was coined regarding those concerned with healthy eating. It's not because of the healthy eating, itself. It's the obsessing over it, the black and white thinking, the ruminating over ingredients, and the way it disrupts your life and torments you mentally and emotionally (I don't have orthorexia, btw, but have been on ED forums of people who do). An eating disorder is a Hellish torment that nags at you daily..and if someone's self-worth is wrapped around how "perfectly" they eat, then that's a serious problem.
    Dr. Greger, I highly respect and appreciate all the work you do, but in this case, I think you really "dropped the ball".

  11. The Bratman test is very useful at identifying orthorexia. Making light of a serious disorder that puts people dangerously underweight and even to death is appalling. Beyondveg details the death of one of the first orthorexic patients Kate Fin. This video is in such bad taste. The blindness of the plant based community to the eating disorders within is disgusting. Dr Gregor I have 150 people I’d like to introduce you to. People who take health to an unhealthy place is very common. I can’t tell you how appalled we are at this video.

  12. Coming from someone who adores and trusts you and has watched your videos for upwards of 7 years, this video was really disappointing. I think you misunderstood it entirely. The problem is the obsession. The problem is the uncalled for distress and anxiety. The problem is the need for absolute control at all times. I'm not saying that this is something that necessarily needs to be treated with drugs or should even be classified as a psychiatric disorder, but it is a problem, and it shouldn't be ignored or mocked.

  13. I use to think this was ridiculous too, but after watching some of the recent 'ex-vegan' YouTubers I've changed my mind. They do seem to be obsessed with being healthier and they go to extremes to be 'clean' and 'pure' and 'natural'. They have to eat only raw food, fast for weeks, only drink alkaline water, never eat anything microwaved because that's toxic, never take anti-biotics or any medication. They restrict and restrict and restrict.They actually do more harm than good to themselves and then they make another drastic diet change that's supposed to 'heal' them. I think they embody the definition of orthorexia.

  14. I love and appreciate you and your videos and while I can see the point your making I've had to accept the reality that getting hung up on certain "healthy" ideals can lead to a lapse in health. I have a close friend struggling with an eating disorder and whose health would hugely benefit from the standard american diet (I know, sounds wild). Unfortunately they can't as they have a severe gluten allergy plus a fear of other people cooking for them as well as a fear of consuming oil. Eating healthy is not orthorexia, but that doesn't mean orthorexia isn't a real thing. (My friends' struggle has not been termed as orthorexia I'm just making the point that a healthy behavior can be taken too far.)

  16. I usually really like these videos, but I have definitely experienced serious problems as a result of health obsession and I think it's dangerous to suggest it's a ludicrous thing to worry about.
    At one point in my life, my anxiety surrounding food was extremely high, to the point where it was the primary focus of my thoughts almost all the time. I would have to weigh and track everything I ate to ascertain EXACTLY how many calories and quantities of different nutrients and macronutrients I was eating, if i did not hit my goals at 100% every day it would distress me to the point where I would often have panic attacks. I lived in constant fear of my own hunger, terrified that I would be hungry at times of the day when I had not planned to eat and would have to recalculate the entire days meal planning around even a small snack. Even more terrifying was the prospect of feeling hunger when I was out of the house without 'safe' foods to hand. I found it distressing even to be around people who were eating 'unhealthy' foods, which included anything containing ANY quantity of oil, salt, refined flours or sugar, as these foods physically repulsed me to such a high degree. My obsessive tracking made it impossible for me to go out to a restaurant or allow anyone else to cook for me, even for one meal, as the prospect of not knowing the exact quantities of foods and accompanying nutrients was impossible for me to tolerate. My social relationships suffered, as did my studies while at university, and my overall emotional state was seriously impacted.
    People do experience damaging health obsessions and I think it is dangerous to dismiss these experiences as this video does, I would have found something like this extremely validating of my obsessive eating behaviours.

  19. The way you put it, it sounds ridiculous yes. But what if someone is truly obsessed with healthy eating, like people being obsessed with being as thin and eating as little as possible aka anorexia. People in the comment section laugh about orthorexia, thinking they would fall in because they care about healthy eating, but what if anorexia wasn't known yet. Then everyone who cared about being thin and not eating too much might laugh if you present it in this vague ironic way. There is always a difference between caring about something and caring so much about something that it hurts you. Sorry, this might not be a perfect example, but I hope you get my point.
    Healthy eaters would still chose eating a cookie rather than a worse consequence. What if one would rather lose their best friend / their home / their life than eating a cookie? People experience all kinds of mental illnesses, why should this be impossible? I don't say orthorexia exists but I could imagine people suffering from this.

  20. Yes, Dr. G, but there are "orthorexic" people who obsess trying to tell me "paleo" or "keto" are the way to go… I think this video as the first of all your videos is a bit one-sided. Still love you tho 😀

  21. Think the studies are talking about people that are afraid of bbq smoke and toxins from grilling meat once in awhile because of cancer. Some things are just to dramatic.

  23. While, as I think you’ll clearly see after watching the entire three-part series, orthorexia cannot be considered a legitimate eating disorder, there are very real and very serious eating disorders (such as anorexia and bulimia) that should not be taken lightly. If you or a loved one suffers from one of these diagnoses, please seek immediate help from a professional.

  25. Thank you for making this video! As the only person in my circle who cares about healthy eating, I often have to contend with other people's insinuation that my concern with health is obsessive, when they are the ones who are way too unconcerned.

  27. This is honestly offensive as someone recovering from an eating disorder. I didn't have orthorexia, but I can tell you that I believe it's very real. It's clear you have no understanding of the eating disorder mindset. You shouldn't be doing videos on eating disorders, especially if you don't understand them.
    I'm extremely disappointed as I was told you were a great person in the vegan community to watch… 😕

  28. Obsessions and anxiety are one thing, but how is obsession of eating healthy a thing???? Is it cured if I eat healthy "un-obsessively"? Or is it cured if I start eating unhealthy?

  29. If orthorexia is associated with anorexia and bulimia in terms of calorie restriction, then it is clear to me that this is not healthy and it is a mis-diagnosis. I mean, does it matter what kind of meal do you eat if you throw it up afterwards? Or, if you think a diet consisting of one cherry tomato a day is healthy, you have bigger problems than this so called orthorexia.. Which is not even a medical term, so why are we even talking about it? Sorry, rant over..

  33. I think this belies a lack of comfort from the majority with people who take health and nutrition very seriously. They see obsession whereas we see giving ourselves the optimal diet to stay healthy and live long. Of COURSE you can overdo anything. You can refuse to eat anything that isn't organic/non-gmo or even not grown on a farm by someone you know personally. You can make perfect the enemy of the good. There's a spectrum, so we just have to be wary that those who we consider might have a disorder are those that carry the passion for eating healthy to an "extreme." The problem is that "extreme" is going to be defined differently for everyone. For a lot of the population, simply eating a vegan diet is thought of as "extreme." For many , refusing to eat anything that isn't organic might be considered "extreme" especially if you have to go hungry because there are no choices that fit that ideal. So I guess the issue is, who gets to define what is and isn't "extreme"? It probably is the majority, because the "norms" of society are defined by them. I'm not saying that's correct, because what about when those norms themselves are unhealthy and NEED to be changed?

  34. Of course an obsession with healthy eating can become an eating disorder? Your attitude in this video is really disappointing.

  35. Way to do zero nuance on the ramifications of people not getting enough calories or understanding caloric varieties or idiots who think vegan keto is somehow a smart thing.

  36. When I was a raw vegan with a very strict no fat & adherence to a food combining policy, I could have made a case as an orthorexic – very unbalanced nutritionally. Now as a whole food plant based daily dozen girl I would definitely not be classified as that. The definition needs some work. Thanks for your great vids Dr.Gregor!!!

  38. That's the first video I have to disagree with Gregor. Obsessive healthy eating can become dangerous when people cut down to many food groups. Everything can be categorised as unhealthy and a person can go long period of time fasting or juicing to "purify" themselves, obsessive clean eating can also make people choose excessive restrictive diets like raw or fruitarian, cutting down to many food groups will predispose people to nutritional deficiencies and digestive imbalances.

  39. During my recovery from anorexia (after becoming weight restored) I became orthorexic, whilst it never became as serious as my anorexia (because I was already receiving treatment) I was seriously malnourished. I was obsessed with only eating things that could be counted as one of my 7 a day And refused to eat anything over 5% in fat (most days even that was too much, it was too unhealthy). I was eating 2000 calories but I was terrified of fat it didn’t matter how many vitamins I was getting from food I couldn’t absorb them. I religiously drank 3-4 litres a day because I thought if 2 was a guideline 3 or 4 must be healthier. For context I study biomedical science I understand nutrition but this disorder (yep disorder) literally makes you leave common sense behind. I appreciate this is your opinion but it could be detrimental to so many people who are letting ‘health‘ control their lives. You’re respected and this could give them an excuse not to get help.

  40. Its only a problem when I beat myself up over having something that is not healthy enough. Cognitive distortions like perfectionism come into play as well.

  42. Orthorexia is trying to eat as healthy as possible but fucking it up and actually harming your health instead . Like Vegetable police does .

  43. There's no real "psychological disorder", and very few real illnesses. Humans just like to label hosts of symptoms under one general term, largely to sell you expensive pharmaceutical drugs to treat "your illness".

  44. Though I appreciate you debunking a lot of health myths and bring clarity to subjects that need clarifying, orthorexia is a real disorder. Although I don't believe in the drugs that are recommended by "professionals", your sarcasm is not fully appreciated in this sense. I, personally, have suffered from orthorexia for 6 years. All I could think about was food, day in day out. Every single minute of the day. Because of my obsession with health, I also created an exercise addiction, all leading me into a burn-out at the age of 18. I do still believe that health comes first and food plays a vital role in health, however, eating vegan ben&jerries when you feel like it instead of eating an apple you dont want (this is just a simple example) can be detrimental to someones mental health. What it comes down to is that orthorexic people deny themselves the pleasures of satisfying cravings, spontaneity and many other factors that give happiness on the daily. Obsession with health can overrun your life. I believe moderation is key. Orthorexic people do NOT know this. All they see is black and white, all or nothing. THAT is what is so harmful to them, and can have severe effects on their life and that of their loved ones. You being a doctor should know better. Mental health is more important than physical health, you cannot take care of the body if the mind is ill. Food is one part of health, family, laughter, passion for hobbies, and so many other things are part of health too. Orthorexia may not fully be an eating disorder, it is a lifestyle disorder. And the extremity of it should not be taken so lightly like you try to make it come off in this video.

  45. Finally something that makes sense on this topic! I believe it's crazy how our sick society works. When people who just want to stop poisoning themeselves (which doesn't seems normal for the average population but in Nature it is perfectly normal!), the average people are so guilty about their bad eating that they try to make people who eat health feel guilty about their "too good choices". What a reversed way of thinking. I am so glad you made this video because I see a lot of healthy eating influencers derive on the more "balanced" side as they say which basically is introducing back a lot of unhealthy food because they think it is healthy to eat a bit of unhealthy… but by definition unhealthy is UNHEALHY that's it! And I did it myself the past few months because I believed I was "orthorexic" as other people made me feel bad about my good choices. but when I started to feel bad (physically), I realized I was doing the right thing back thene when I was eating healthy 98% of the time. So thank you for making me realize that.

  46. I have suffered from an eating disorder and I can definitely say that being seriously afraid of certain foods and only eating “clean” foods is such a mental struggle and it is NOT healthy. There is a difference between consistently making healthy choices with a healthy mindset and struggling with an eating disorder mindset when choosing everything you eat. This video portrays to people with eating disorders that their mental struggle is okay and not unhealthy. I usually LOVE your videos Dr. Gregor.. just not this one! 😕

  48. This is disappointing. I usually appreciate your work, but this one seems to intentionally miss the point of the professional conversation about orthorexia. Because most people don’t care enough about their diets and because one expert has never met an orthorexic, it does not automatically follow that they can’t exist. That most people aren’t concerned enough about what they put in their mouths does not negate the existence of people who care too much, to the point that if causes disruption in their social life. Having been vegan for long enough I can tell you that it is inconvenient to navigate social engagements where other people are not vegan, but that’s not the same as a *disruption*. I don’t withdraw or avoid social engagements because of the challenges, I don’t experience intense distress or avoid eating altogether for extended periods of time when my options are limited. It’s inconvenient, but because I am mentally healthy, my life and relationships are not being damaged. Orthorexia, on the other hand, does in fact cause significant distress. Whether it is the first step on the road to anorexia, which you seem at least to consider legitimate and dangerous, or whether it is its own separate disorder, is really immaterial. It’s a real phenomenon and the biggest problem of all is the belief that it’s a necessary and proper way to manage one’s health. I think because you have so much influence over so many people that it was irresponsible to make a video like this where there is a clear bias that could cause harm. Because in your opinion being overly concerned about the food you eat is no different than not wanting to smoke (a false analogy), people who show all the symptoms will now point to you, a medical doctor with considerable influence, and deny that they need help. That’s really unfortunate. Usually I appreciate your work, but on this one you have missed the mark.

  50. Hi Dr Greger, I have always loved your content and appreciate your work. I agree that this form of eating disorder is hard to categories but however, rather than looking at simply the food choices people make, we should also consider the metal thoughts and anxieties some have around certain "bad" food. I agree that having too much salt, sugar etc etc is unhealthy but what is more unhealthy are the thoughts that people experience when confronted with such foods. It can lead to social isolation/social life/quality of relationships (as you included as a "clinical significance") anxiety, depression, unhealthy weight loss, negative body image and more. For people who have not experienced major disordered eating habits or eating disorders, it can be hard to imagine what it's like being confronted by something three times a day that can often bring about anxiety and uneasiness. I also feel your sarcasm is insensitive. It's not just about the food. There is so much more at play here. Thank you for giving me the platform to share my POV. Much love!

  51. I think that you misunderstood the eating disorder. You only read what you wanted to read. Othorexia is when you can’t eat unhealthy food without feeling super guilty it’s all obsessive behaviour in your head around food it’s not a part of pleasure

  52. I wish I had this shit. Going on 2 years almost vegan because I still eat non vegan cakes at parties and have the occasional goldfish crackers. Gotta get to ortho I see 😂

  53. I have been watching NutritionFacts videos for a long time. This was far and away my favorite and compelled me to drop this comment. I'm going to start posting pictures of broccoli everywhere!!

  55. I think people are missing the point. Even when caring way too much about how healthy you are eating to the point of sometimes not eating enough will most likely still be 100x healthier than not caring at all, and eating junk food.

    Also, what some of you are mixing up with extra care of healthy eating is misinformation on nutrition.

  56. While I agree that the term orthorexia shouldn't be used as a weapon against vegan or health-conscious diets and that the definitions you looked at can be read too easily in a way to attack those diets, I still wouldn't call orthorexia fake.

    All the funny, and often worrying, cases that you often outline of people going too far with their plants like drinking obsessive amounts of vinegar, using bananas as pacifiers or eating too much spinach can easily be read as outliers and acts lacking in common sense. However, their perspective might be that of an unreasonable standard of healthiness (i.e. the more spinach the better). This is what I colloquially attribute as orthorexic, a form of misguided and unhealthy take on healthiness and self-improvement.

    There has been a rise in demand for videos about gut and digestion problems like SIBO (Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth), bloating, and other digestive issues. Vegan youtube channels making scientifically proofed videos make a considerable amount of videos on the topic. Often the digestive issues were present before the switch to a vegan diet or were exacerbated by a having too much of the good thing (i.e. fruitarian diet, raw vegan diet). In the discussion of these problems, it would be helpful if the described tendency to be too healthy in one's subjective view had a colloquial term that wasn't perceived as an attack against health-conscious eating.

    Also, pertaining to the Instagram study, the demand for that study could stem from the consequence of claims made by Instagram social media influencers in the market of health. This BBC documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUeNab6-C7U does trade on negative association on vegan diets but also follows people who feel like they had to do the vegan diet right (@18:13) and shows how for some people the aesthetic (i.e. the food looks healthy versus being healthy) is more convincing than the science. Therefore, it's not a stretch to see how people's health could suffer from following seemingly healthy diets that come without scientific proof.

    So then, when the eating habit or view of eating poses substantial issues, should we call the people doing it misguided rather than orthorexic? Does the behaviour need to be compulsive (i.e. misguided even after repeatedly enlightened about their diet) for the misguidedness to become chronic enough to become orthorexic?

  57. Regardless of what it's called or whether it's a recognized disorder, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that it exists. Having been involved in the raw food community, I can say that some people are so absolutely obsessed with avoiding "toxic foods", they literally believe that steamed sweet potatoes or cooked lentils should be avoided at all costs, so they'll go hungry rather than eating them. I've witnessed for myself people who believe they were doing their body good by avoiding certain foods we really do know to be healthful, just so they can stay on their raw food diet. That is a disorder.

  58. Just like Dr. Eric Berg, the sources you cite/"points" you make/things you "disprove" or disagree with, are a little off from what those with orthorexia or an obsession with healthy food actually experience. the definitions in the video are incorrect, and don't capture the actual issues this way of thinking causes. Not wanting to eat too much sugar or not being concerned with how much you enjoy your meal isn't an obsession, so you can't use those examples to explain a concept that is literally defined by /irrational obsession/ which essentially means that a person's perception of some perfectly healthy foods is skewed. Just like other, more widely accepted eating disorders, it's very much related to OCD. There are beliefs and fears and practices and rituals involved that just don't make sense to people who are not suffering from this.

  60. I get the point you're making, and I agree that being exceptionally healthy isn't a "mental disorder"… however, I have to respectfully disagree. When someone has severe anxiety or obsessive-compulsions towards anything, even healthy things like eating right, exercising, and drinking plenty of water, there is a problem. When someone would rather starve than eat some fries when out with friends or refuses to have a birthday cake because it's not "clean" enough, it's an unhealthy fixation.

  61. Orthorexia/anorexia/bulimia = I want attention and/or drama in my life and I think cheese pizza and candy bars are food – but feel guilty about it so I need to classify myself as a victim so no one can call me out on my bullshit. Poor me. My psychiatrist and drug manufacturers have my back on this so it's indisputable science that I'm a victim, really. (from a former 60 lb. underweight "anorexic" who got over herself)

  63. This fake psychiatric diagnosis is a real chuckle. So what are the persons who eat healthy but go off the wagon and occasionally binge eat desserts?

  64. Thank you for this video Dr Greger. I had no idea that it wasn't even a recognised mental illness! But what a convenient way to slander anyone who eats healthy or vegan though…

  68. This video comes off as ignorant. Some people with orthorexia might even view a “healthy” food as “unhealthy” because that’s what the disorder does. It’s a mental issue. People with orthorexia obsess about the food they eat and feel extreme guilt for ingesting even the littlest amount of a food they don’t think is “healthy.” It is subjective and not solely defined as people just not wanting to eat a cheeseburger for health reasons, that can be seen as normal but when thoughts about food consume you and make you feel awful for eating, say, one chip as if you’ve just ruined your body or all your fitness progress … that’s when it becomes a disorder.

  69. Firstly there’s nothing wrong with eating healthy, which he says. That doesn’t exclude it from being a mental disorder.

    There’s also nothing wrong with experiencing low moods or anxiety but I would definitely say they’re mental disorders.
    You may say they’re not the same thing, but they are.

    Both eating healthy and experiencing low moods or anxiety are perfectly healthy in ones ability to function in everyday life. If we didn’t get depressed when a loved one died we’d think they’re in denial. If we didn’t experience anxiety when something we really want or don’t want to happen then we’d question whether or not we’d really care about anything in life.

    The problem is when they turn your life into a disorder (hence mental disorder) or even when they become chronic and become more of an illness.

    Being depressed for two months over a tragedy or experiencing low moods only once a month for a period is completely natural. But when it becomes half to most of your life, it is a problem that is implementing you and your life.

    How is this similar to eating healthy?

    Well eating healthy is completely normal until it turns your life into disorder. If you start to regard foods as unhealthy you are designing a limit on what is ok to eat, what is not, when it is ok to eat, when it is not, what amount is ok to eat and what amount is not, it becomes more difficult to live. But again this isn’t ‘too’ bad, though you should probably try to stop that behaviour in its tracks early.

    This limit on food gets worse. You learn more about food, you get more obsessive (and anyone who tells me obsession isn’t a mental illness is talking bullshit). The more you encourage a behaviour or attitude the more prominent it gets.

    Then, when you are obsessing, trying to control and manipulate everything in regards to a large part of your life, you develop orthorexia.

    Brain damage is well known to doctors, less so to the layman, as a symptom of mental illness (not brain damage in regards to intellect but in areas of emotion, memory and problem solving). The worst you become, the more irrational you get.

    This can easily develop.

    It can develop into anorexia, because your ‘rational’ mind says eating three apples a day is the only substance you need. It can develop into regular purging, because you feel sooo guilty for eating that one Oreo.

    These are extremes, but even ‘minor’ anorexic traits like eating three small meals a day, of less that 1000 calories and burning off a lot in exercise, or less frequent purging (like only every time you drink) is a disorder and bad for you.

    Orthorexia is a disorder because it is obsession, a need for control, can and does easily develop and is looked down upon as it isn’t anorexia or bulimia.

    Lastly, I’d like to point out he made shit examples in that video. ‘They’d remove the bacon from their burger’ for one is ridiculous. Also he failed to provide a critique of what he’s saying, making his work truly unprofessional and unacademic and therefore untrustworthy.

  70. Great video Dr. Greger as always. That's a classic case of taking things too far. I have heard of orthorexia before, and thought it was more when someone was so obsessed with healthy eating they become very very restrictive as to what they eat. Many people who are GF vegans are accused of this as they literally cannot eat out many places.

  73. Many people "obsess"
    Money, gambling, smoking, working, gym rats, etc.. just seems like when its about "healthy eating or veganism" its a disorder. .

  76. As somebody diagnosed with Anorexia Nervosa who just got out of hospitalization, I know that Orthorexia is an eating disorder. It isn't a physical thing, It's a mental thing. And there are real sufferers of this illness.

  77. smh… When the comment section thinks more critically than the content creator, who is supposed to be scientifically trained, based on the name "Dr."

  78. 4:45 Yeah Dr. Ornish, but the people who don't care about what they eat have awesome social lives. They can go almost anywhere and eat almost anything with almost anybody, and that widens their social outreach. I can see this happening all the time. The one lady won't eat the fattening foods in front of her fat friends, making her friends feel bad. And since 75% of everyone at the party is fat too, she just isolated herself from society again just like she has done a thousand times before. All these little +1s can add up to a hell of a mess. As crazy as it sounds, I wouldn't doubt there is some trade off between physical and mental health. This might even explain the prevalent rumors circulating about vegans (and anecdotes from ex-vegans) having mental problems. Eating disorders are mental disorders accompanied by physical disorders. It's easy to see that Orthorexia can be a real eating disorder for some people, but to Greger's credit, it must be the best eating disorder to have, if you're going to have one.

  80. Hi doctor Greger, I have Seen every one of your videos and admire your work but unfortunately you haven't met a person with orthoraxia.

    I study with a person like that and it is definately a harsh problem. Unhealthy food can immediately make them sick and they often start avoiding all foods, it doesn't help that Nutrition information is confusing, I would re examine this subject if I was in your shoes, its ok to admit your wrong.

    They all suffer extreme stress from low calorie because they avoid foods, this is just a stepping stone to a type of health derived anorexia.

  81. I think deciding not to listen to your body's signals and instead making up your own rules ultimatively leads to malnourishment – makro- and micronutrient-wise

  82. I think an eating disorder becomes an eating disorder when the behaviour becomes excessive. It is healthy to not eat huge portions of food but when you begin to obsess over it and not eat anything at all or very small portions it becomes anorexia nervosa. So when you say it’s not healthy to eat foods with a lot of sugar or fat etc,. That is right but most of us will probably eat something more unhealthy than not at least once a week. Orthorexia is when you become obsessed over is a food is healthy or not and carrying out such extreme behaviours can’t be healthy for you physically or mentally. Eating disorders by definition are psychological disorders so if you have unhealthy thoughts that cause you to obsess over something that is a psychological disorder. If those thoughts are around eating then that is an eating disorder. So yes orthorexia is an eating disorder and just because some can have a worse physical effect shouldn’t take away from it. (I don’t have an eating disorder btw so please correct me if anything I’ve said is wrong)

  83. "Eating healthy food is better than smoking!" Well yeah, no shit, Sherlock. No one claimed smoking was a health move. There's a point where any addiction becomes detrimental to your health.

    First of all, obsession is obsession. It can and will become addiction no matter how "healthy" the choice of drug is. Such as exercise anorexics. You wouldn't say there's anything wrong with exercising–exercise is great for you. But it becomes a problem when you need to do it five hours a day, seven days a week.

    Same with focusing on only eating "healthy" foods. There is a point where even a healthful habit becomes an unhealthy obsession and then an addiction.

    This entire video is tone deaf.

  84. Spending hours upon HOURS A DAY searching on nutrition information trying to figure out what you can and cannot eat, getting extremely distressed when you cannot find something on any nutrition facts website such as the amount of omega 6 in a food a food and end up avoiding it completely because you don’t want to take any risks not eating for over a day because you’re on a trip and you can’t find any fresh fruits or vegetables where you are, not eating a whole food plant based meal a friend made because the potatoes are pealed or the nuts are toasted and avoiding going to social events because there may not be a healthy option does not seem disorderly to you?? If not, what is

  88. Well , well…
    i get your point on how misleading the media are with those « healthy eating results in orthorexia !! » and « eat fast foods and bacon to be safe from becoming orthorexic and obsessed with healthy eating » , and that’s true. Believing that making healthy choices and taking care of your health is obsessive and extreme is just absurd. But what about being absurd yourself ? Orthorexia is one hell of a condition. The absurdity of the symptoms and the behaviors around food can’t even compare with the trouble an orthorexic is dealing in their head. It’s a complete nightmare, and here’s where we’re getting things a bit twisted with being healthy and orthorexic. There’s nothing healthy in orthorexia. There’s just obsessing over food choices and religiously sticking with them. It’s different for everyone , but the only thing that’s sure about this condition is that it never starts from food or the need to be healthy, or instagram itself. What drives people into eating disorders is much deeper and more complicated than seeing a skinny person on the street and developing an eating disorders the next day out of nowhere.

  90. The fact that this is even up for debate is heartbreaking to me. It's easy to say something doesn't exist when you don't have it. I'm sorry, but I've cried on my kitchen floor over cilantro paste that had a tiny bit of canola oil and maltodextrin in it. I've baked my own birthday cake and watched as everyone had some except for me. I've packed my own dinners in a lunchbox when going out to eat with family because I was too scared to even order soup or a plate of vegetables since I couldn't possibly know everything the chef could have put in it. I've had a mental breakdown when I accidentally ate something with mayonaise. I simply didn't eat whenever I was in a situation that lacked food options that I approved of. I could go on and on with examples like these. How could you say that's not disordered? Don't invalidate other people's struggles simply because you lack perspective and understanding.

  91. when you want to be fruitarian but you are worried about the nutrition, like me, probably orthorexia.. its either me.. or the "Recommended daily intakes" are the true cause.. cause im just following my instincts here.. maybe sciences lack of understanding about nutrition is the true cause of orthorexia?

  92. While these definitions given are not very accurate, I’d still argue that it exists. Merely being health conscience, choosing healthy foods and avoiding or even entirely refusing to eat highly processed foods is not an eating disorder. I fall perfectly into that category haha. But there is a degree of health focus that does become mentally unhealthy, when it becomes obsessive. My girlfriend used to struggle with this (and still has to watch herself from falling back into it). She got so focused in on the 80/10/10 diet that she would measure out gram for gram and make sure every single meal fell perfectly into it, spending hours focused on planning and designing her meals to be just perfect. It became obsessive in her brain, like it was all she could think about. Extremely, extremely unhealthy in the mental aspect. It does exist, like in her case, it’s just very rare and the idea that merely being very health conscience and focusing on eating nutritious foods is the same is complete bogus.

  93. This video is yet another example of why many GPs are not fit to take care of the mental side of patients. Key word in these articles: OBSESSIVE. I wouldn't trust you to read and actually comprehend an article, yet alone diagnose and treat people.

  94. Clearly you haven't had disordered eating . Maybe trying talking to someone who suffers from any eating disorder instead of making fun of a MENTAL DISORDER

  95. This video is so excellent. Apparently I would be considered to be mentally ill as I eat a whole foods vegan diet and I avoid coffee and I can't stand MSG.

  96. Having a truly healthy diet and being near peak fitness makes you feel like you can just float across the ground. It's absolutely worth the effort. I can see how if people had strong cravings for junk food it could be distressing to deny them constantly but that's still probably an addiction to certain ingredients that can be worked on.

  98. I really don't like how dismissive and mocking this video is about the possibility of "healthy eating" turning disordered. Many healthy things can turn into a disorder in excess. Literally, in the non-highlighted areas of the paper, it says that to have "orthorexia", a person must spend hours a day analyzing their diet — HOURS — as well as becoming underweight and vitamin deficient. I'm sorry, but that is definitely disorder which treatment could benefit. Mocking the idea of SSRIs and CBT for this is completely pig-headed. And why is the video just snipping random pieces of the study introductions out of context? Like okay, one study says that there is a "positive attitude towards healthy eating" in the intro paragraph. That's just the study establishing facts — not making a moral judgement or saying that healthy eating should not be positively viewed. The video is manufacturing an attack on non-disordered healthy eating that doesn't exist. It's like there's no reading comprehension of the studies; just going through them, cherry-picking statements and acting like those statements are an attack.

    I myself have a friend who became a very strict vegan / health food fanatic as a way to cover up their ED. It became easier for them to turn down food without drawing people's suspicions. Part of recovery from that ED for this friend was eating animal products again. Of course the majority of vegans don't have an ED, but there will always be those cases.

    Though admittedly, "orthorexia" might be a manifestation of something like OCD or another ED, and may not qualify as its own diagnosis. But let's not pretend like this video has any level of nuance.

  100. What a condescending video. I wanted to know more about orthorexia and stumbled on this judgemental piece. My mom has gone down the healthy food rabbit hole and has become extremely obsessive. I can't even think of what to cook for her for dinner these days. We eat really healthy to begin with. Her qualm is with oils that isn't olive oil, even then she consumes it minimally heated. So for example yesterday we had a baked veggie dish. And I caught her literally rinsing her portion of baked green beans and carrots in water to send off any oil ( and mind you the entire dish had a tiny drizzle of oil to begin with and nothing more but according to her it turns to unhealthy fats when it's heated at high temperatures). If this isn't an unhealthy behavior I don't know what is. Oh she's also eliminated anything that has cholesterol on labels. So she doesn't eat 0% Greek yogurt or egg yolks or any white meat or almonds that are roasted anymore. She eats tons of refined carbs and I haven't told her how that is unhealthy coz I'm worried she'll cut that too leaving her nothing to eat. She watched a video where this guy said that too much garlic is unhealthy so she doesn't add any to food anymore. Same guy said that black pepper is good so she started putting inedible amounts to her eggwhites. If she eats any icecream I catch her throwing it up in the bathroom. So I guess she's orthorexic and bulimic at the same time. She's 66 years old with osteoporosis and she's cut off all dairy. Even nonfat coz it has the teeniest bit of cholesterol listed on the nutritional label. So this video was pretty disappointing to say at least.

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