Vegan vs Chef scende in un acceso dibattito

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Uno chef ungherese che pensa “siamo predatori” si è scontrato con un vegano appena diventato per discutere se adottare o meno una dieta a base vegetale è più sostenibile in questo 2018 dibattito di Brain Bar.

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100 Risposte a “Vegan vs Chef scende in un acceso dibattito”

  3. Veganism doesn't mean the recipe or flavor has to change. Make the same cultural recipes with the same vegetables, herbs, spices but just replace the protein with mock meat.

  8. Close minded traditionalists. Aka destroyers of the planet. Totally brainwashed and uninformed. Can’t blame people for being confused. But can blame them for not opening their minds to different ideas.

  10. It's odd to me how she says she " 'COMMUNICATES WITH FOOD' " like some very 'sensitive woo hippy uber cosmos being', yet can't feel anything about animal suffering…or is she just full of shit? And carnivores? Darl, leave a couple of steaks on the backyard garden table for 2 days in the height of summer with the flies, bacteria, viruses and moulds. While you're waiting to eat them without fear of gastro, or worse, food poisoning, lick your arse for five minutes every hour, that'll save on soap and feminine spray. You Li'l Tiger, you! (ps, great to see Alexei Sayle moderating)

  11. Surely tradition can't be a reason to keep eating meat. There are so many traditions that have been stopped because they are ethically wrong (foot binding, eunuchs, slavery). Should we have kept these practices up for the sake of tradition? I struggle with the concept of plants feeling pain so we shouldn't eat them and would appreciate it if you were able to address more fully your ideas on this. Overall, a great video and it would be good to see more.

  12. The vegan was very knowledgeable. She definitely won the debate, and could have garnered further votes if she had been able speak and counter more of the non-vegan’s arguments.
    I dislike when a vegan diet is described as radical or extreme. Why is being kind and compassionate towards non-human sentient beings considered extreme? Why is evolving to a vegan diet, which would lessen the environmental impact on the earth, as well as, reverse and eliminate many of the diseases of our time, considered extreme or radical? It’s lunacy.

  14. imagine trying to justify forced female genital mutilation with "it's tradition" … or better yet.. slavery.. hell it was traditional..

  17. I don't wish to be derogatory but the omnivore woman is ignorant! She is speaking from pure emotion and from her own indoctrinated upbringing. How on earth does she think we feed the world without intensive farming, how on earth how can she want to sustain the traditions of humanity just because of taste??? Its nonscence.

    Everyone (even schools) should read the book, "The World Peace Diet", by Will Tuttle PhD because I learnt things about how history of where the eating of animals came from (its actually rather sinister), how its been linked to racism, feminism, oppression and it goes into detail about a variety of topics that define our culture. It's so well written that it's not even boring!!! Honestly it will have you gripped. Even how the systems are rigged by the elite. Powerful, powerful book.

  19. Ask them if they believe in feminism or they support the exploatation of females, mothers and the killing of their offspring … by drinking milk and eating meat cheese eggs, horrible things to eat

  20. I lived with a head hunting tribe in borneo who explained there 'spiritual' and cultural tradition of cutting off the heads of other tribes ( Seen as inferior people) in order to steal the power they believed was contained in a living human skull.
    the brutality and lack of empathy was justified by the belief that it was 'natural', a vital 'tradition', a 'necessity', a pleasurable sport like activity, proof of the masculinity and strength of the head hunter and also the 'prey' were 'inferior others' and therefore they were not breaking their own moral code.
    The ability to fool ourselves for our own vain interests is a long and natural tradition.

  23. Second word the 2nd lady said was – Culture, its tradition. Stop justifying animal cruelty with outdated practices that need to be abolished.

  25. I can understand why people would be reluctant to let go of meat and other animal products since they have become an essential part of their culture or family tradition, but imo replacing those things with plant-based alternatives would make the culture richer. It shows that there's a person willing to continue on a tradition even though there's a change in their beliefs. I think people who insist on making things exactly the same as the family recipe are missing the point of the dish/tradition itself. Family dishes are all about enjoying good food that has a taste that is distinct to your family (which can be recreated with vegan ingredients). So as long as it tastes like how your family makes it, that should be enough.

    Even then, I don't think that you can for example recreate your grandma's recipe exactly as if she made it herself because how everyone prepares food is authentic to themselves anyway, even if you're following a recipe. There's really no point in trying to make things exactly the same because it's never gonna be the same anyway.

  27. Also women not have any voting right was tradition, slavery was tradition, apartheid was tradition. Stop this tradition bullshit please!

  29. As said in parliament recently in a debate on bearskin hats and traditional use of them in UK military by a member of parliament(Cant remember who! 🙁) arguing against the use of them:

    “Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead.”

  31. Thanks for sharing this, i felt the meat eater sounded like she would be open to significant meat reduction but that going fully plant was "extreme" and anti tradition, and the vegan pointing out there is nothing traditional about factory farming. (The moderator had some interesting body language!

  32. 1 mile East of my house is a huge distillery. 2 times per week train cars roll into the side of the factory and and are filled with waste mash from making alcohol. The train backs up and heads off to a cattle feed lot. Is that what vegans call food? If cattle eat plants what is producing this horrible greenhouse gas? Maybe plants produce greenhouse gas?

  33. Vegan won, it was so funny that she said the best burger shes ever had was an impossibIe burger!!!😀😀(after debating over animaIs)

  34. Thank you Plant Based News for giving @GittemaryJohansen a wider platform for her well researched and intelligently constructed opinions.

  35. I wanted to hear the bit about what the chef was going to comment about Argentina. I live in Argentina: it is beef country. People here also speak about traditions when opposing veganism. The tradition in this country is eating barbecues at every important event. The population is either obese or overweight. One of the biggest problems here is heart disease apart from obesity.
    My father was a butcher. He used to kill animals to sell. As a child that traumatized me to much that I refused to eat meat or any animal product. It disgusted me. It was such a revolting and heart breaking practice. The desperate cries of a lamb or a pig when they are being slaughtered are the worst thing you could ever hear in your life. My father died at 74 years of age due to a heart attack. He was also obese due to his diet. My mother died at 61 years of age due to colon cancer. So, yeah, keep tradition and you won't live long. Keep traditional meat based meals and your kids will become orphans.
    It saddens me that Argentina is one of the biggest producers of soy and yet you can't find soy milk anywhere. They feed it to the animals!!!
    I am happy I am a vegan. I am healthy, I am lean. I am happier. I am stronger.
    I say: f·%&ck tradition!!!!

  38. Gittemary is amazing and has the most wonderful YouTube channel…love her vegan and sustainability content 🥳💕

  39. Traditions are constantly changing with the world around us. So, sure, make it a part of the conversation, but it’s not a solid argument on its own. Leaning on tradition is kind of a lazy way to justify your bad behavior. “It’s the way it’s always been done” is never enough of an answer. Which is why we change or toss out traditions when they no longer represent our values. If we stopped evaluating our traditions, I don’t think we would make much progress in our society.

  40. The chef said "there has to be a middle", but she's not advocating for the middle. She is on the one side (for) and the vegan is on the other (against). The middle doesn't exist.

  41. Watching the film Difret, Ethiopian men argued they should forever be allowed to kidnap women and forced them into marriage because it's always been their culture and tradition. Everyone in their culture married this way. Even many of the older women argued in support of it due to tradition. Just because something is cultural does not mean it should be supported or legalized… or always remain in the culture.

  43. The only thing vegans care about is taste, not nutrition. I value nutrition over taste. Mock meats are not true replacements to real meat. When Avant Garde Vegan turns vital wheat gluten into ham, he has to be kidding himself. He says it himself, his favorite part of the dish is the caramelized glaze, which has the most flavor. So what he's saying is that he values the flavor on the outside, which is just taste. The nutritional content of mock meats vs real meat will never be comparable.

  47. No matter what they say or who is ,,better ,, lawyer,,,……one activity respects animals, spare them from cruelty, saves The Environment -our planet – our environment where all people and other creatures live

    Meat eating just brings cruelty to animals, sick people dying from preventable illnesses, damaging our planet……and there is no way that we can keep feeding whole population by 80 billions of land animals and trillion fish every year this is cul de sac….I can't support this one

  48. Best way to get over this "tradition" thing is to repeatedly tell yourself food is fuel. After enough time, you stop being so emotionally attached. You stop giving your kids "treats". You stop needing the social gatherings based around food.

  54. My ancestors were predators, they preyed upon other clans they didn't like, and slaughtered them. It's probably a good thing that we have evolved a great deal since then, life seems far less messy now than it was then.

  57. As a person living in Hungary, reacting to this sentence: "there is not a single dish without meat that they are proud of…" The stuff they sell tourists in fancy restaurants are indeed all meat-based dishes, traditionally they are the expensive "celebratory dishes". But the food that I consider Hungarian is the food that was given to me by my mother and grandmothers every day. We definitely had some very meaty thing on a Sunday, but otherwise Hungarian cuisine has a lot of really amazing sustainable, vegetable- and legume-based dishes. Talking to my grandmother I realized that when she was brought up in a middle-income countryside family in the 30's, they had mostly plant-based and very delicious foods from all the stuff grown in their garden.

  58. Tradition? Like slavery, women not voting? Men being allowed to beat their wives? Those things were tradition. Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people.

  59. I follow plant based news and also follow Gittemary. I didn’t know she had done this. If you don’t watch Gittemary, watch her. She does her homework.

  60. This lady must be joking talking about tradition! Does tradition justify women genital mutilation? Isn’t it just abhorrent despite being traditional???? 🤢🤢🤮

  62. Gittemarie Johansen (the vegan counter part) is a brilliant lady, very well informed. She studies a lot and researches a lot about Vegan topics (and other topics too) and I highly suggest to all of you to go follow her on her Youtube channel (called Gittemary Johansen).

  63. Tradition is probably the lamest excuse for any action. If you just look at the fact that people are getting smarter with every generation, by repeating things done by past generations you’re actually dumbing yourself down.

  65. We can always use substitutes for the foods that she feels are traditional. I have been doing that for years. You can make almost the same meal without the meat. Since most people don’t go out and kill their own food and butcher it they’re not missing out on that tradition. I would think that would be considered a necessary part of survival but not some thing that people enjoyed doing. So make a new tradition and be happy that you didn’t have to kill anything in order to do it. And you didn’t compromise your health in anyway. The only foods that have cholesterol or animal products. So you probably did yourself a favor.

  69. I'm a vegetarian and I should be vegan (I’m a hypocrite but I believe that creatures should not be a means to an end.ie exploitable) Creatures/animals are their own ends. Appreciating this is often the basis for human rights- therefore extended-able to all living creatures. We are more alike than we like to imagine. I'm not saying all arguments are like this but if you believe in human rights, consider the nature of categories and imperatives.. (if you are philosophically inclined.)

  71. I eat nearly everything and I find these videos tiring and that really alienate me. I eat meat and fish in moderation, usually twice a week and I eat organic only so I don't see any problem with what I'm doing and infact I think that I'm more sustainable than those vegans who eat avocados everyday or all that processed vegan food that you see in the market (yeah, are you aware of the carbon footprint you produce with all the fruit and vegetables you import by air from other countries?). I live in the UK so I buy only British meat and stat away from example Danish meat etc. And you? Do you grow avocados and asparagus in your garden or your country? Or you import them from Mexico and Peru? I feel tired of listening to this extreme discussions, a much better way of doing these video would be to preach moderation and buying locally.

  72. Also "CULTURAL/THIS IS HOW OUR ANCESTORS DID" list: Bloody frequent wars, women were never equal to men in most cultures, taking slaves, powerful men keeping hundreds of women in harems, disputes settled through swords, burn forests down to clear space, amputations, beheadings, spearing as punishments, rule by Royals and not democracy etc etc Does the meat eater suggest we should revive all these "TRADITIONS"?

    Oh, BTW, humans are the weakest species in the entire mammalian carnivore space – muscular strength, night vision, jaw force, speed, digestive capacity , tolerance for blood and gore and so on. Think about it.

  73. It was a pretty poor debate. Neither point of view was well expressed. In any rational debate vegans win hands down. Health, environment, and animal welfare all benefit.

  76. Plants are not sentient…right. Veganism looses this battle if you ask me. Vegans are killers just as much as meat-eaters. You don't seem to understand that. And that body is very very old. Certains types of body just needs meat for nutritional value. I love animals, but I love plants also. So I believe in transitional period untill we all become bretharians. Maybe. I am certaintly against animal cruelty and commercialism of raising and eating meat. We should all decrease the amounts of food we eat. Certanly meat. We eat too much of it.

  78. As a plant based chef for the last 5+ years you can absolutely cook traditional foods without meat! You have to get creative and think outside the box, something this chef obviously isn’t willing to do.
    Gittemary did a great job!

  79. Maybe this predator chef should use her vicious deadly human canines and incisors to cut all her meat rather than her precisely engineered steel knife. After she takes down her own 1,200lb elks and 2,000lb bovines with her swift two legs and lethal claws, of course.

  80. Wow plant feel pain 😢 how stupid . . Omg that engineer

    Tradition can be unethical and pointless. It is tradition to have rituals and cut animals open and BBQ them for the demon sacrifices. Should we still do that ? No 👎. . Tradition sucks we should leave tradition. Tradition is the reason we have holidays that never stop.

  86. Vegans who aren't already familiar, should look into Marxist philosophy / Dialectical Materialism… as it has a lot to offer and completely enlightens arguments such as this

  87. Ya know what else’s has been apart of all of human history and culture? War, slavery, rape. The beautiful thing about culture is that is highly adaptable! Culture is only as good as it serves the needs of those in it, right? Most cultures around the world embrace practices that are highly unsustainable, so if we don’t change our human culture as a whole, we’re not going to survive!

  89. No such thing as a non vegan chef. Not in the 21st century.

    The title of chef indicates talent and creativity.

    Still clinging to charred flesh, cow secretions and chicken menstruations doesn’t indicate talent nor creativity. It’s lazy and safe.

    Real chefs create vegan dishes which bring out new flavors and new ways to use traditional ingredients to create something new.

    This is why these fake chefs are so anti vegan. They can’t create vegan dishes. They all try and fail miserably. Just ask the hack Ramsey and the shit he serves at his restaurants.

    They are envious of 21st century chefs.

    These “chefs” are closer to McDonald’s level talent. Certainly not 21st century chef talent.

  94. The meat eater chef does not know what she is talking about. She's spouting on about "history". Yet if you look at the Bible, in the very beginning, God told Adam & Eve that they were to eat the plants, & the fruits & seeds that came from the plants. We were MADE to eat plants. Now THAT's history!

  95. I think the meat eater chef is just threatened about her livelihood because she only knows how to cook meat… If she opened her mind to plants, she could loose all that weight she is carrying…..

  96. Thanks for giving us a great debate! Before weighing the ethics of animal agriculture, anyone who works with conventional foods still has a lot of room to grow.

  97. I'm hungarian, and I have to say we have a lot of traditional hungarian foods without meat.
    We have a tradition with pig killing, but nowadays it's just for tourists, because there are no families who would carry on with taking care of these animals. I think the world changed a lot, and our traditions are keep transforming. Go lángos!

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